Showing posts with label modesty. Show all posts
Showing posts with label modesty. Show all posts

Monday, April 20, 2020

Uhmerica!

I hope mom taught them better so that they won't be the type of female who uses Sugardaddy.com or some similar website.






Breitbart: College Admissions Bribe Scandal: Feds Release Pics Used to Get Lori Loughlin’s Daughter onto USC Rowing Team




Friday, November 15, 2019

Veiling

1P5: The Theology Behind Women Wearing Veils in Church by Peter Kwasniewski

It is ok in so far as it goes though I found the talk about "equality" a bit blue-pilled. And the author does not talk at all about the necessity of the virtue of modesty for women, which too is a sign of being blue-pilled.

Also from 1P5: The Catholic Identity Conference: A Call for All Catholics to Rise Up by Timothy Flanders

The mouthpiece of Tradition, Bishop Athanasius Schneider, formed the centerpiece of the conference, delivering the keynote address as well as a short talk against Communion in the hand. He has been increasingly vocal against the Vatican II springtime, which has been a welcome relief of honestly facing the crisis as it has been continuing to unravel for decades.
His comments on the liturgy were salient on this. He said the New Mass is “substantially a clear weakening of the truth of the sacrificial character of the Mass.” It represents a “shift to the Protestant meaning and sense of the meal … in the text [of the Mass] itself.” Indeed, “The Novus Ordo is the Extraordinary Form.

Wednesday, January 09, 2019

Pussyfooting

What Modesty Is and Isn’t…and Why It Matters by JOHN PAUL MEENAN

Latin Catholics tend to talk about modesty as a form of love of neighbor -- women should be considerate of men and how they may fall into sin because of them! What they also need to emphasize is that modesty is a form of humility that women need to check their own pride and self-love, so that they don't use their sexual attractiveness to lord themselves over men or to exploit them.

Wednesday, November 19, 2014

If you don't train your daughter how to dress modestly and yet becomingly then they will fall into two extremes: casual/sloppy look (sweats) or the immodestly clubwear that passes for evening fashion.

Tuesday, September 23, 2014

Tea at Trianon: Headcoverings for Women

Tea at Trianon: Headcoverings for Women

Does Roman Canon Law override local custom? Could a local ordinary decide that women should be required to wear headcoverings, or that men and women should be separated in temple?

Sunday, October 14, 2012

It's Bad Enough They Show These Commercials on TV

But Now in the Movie Theaters?


I heard an older man behind me speak in embarrassment after the commercial was shown. Argo is rated R probably because of the language and the audience was mostly (if not all) adults, but subjecting them to this commercial is still wrong and against modesty.

Friday, July 06, 2012

Verily

Verily Something Different by Andrew Haines
New women's magazine aims to encourage and uplift By Michelle Bauman
Fresh Conversations on What It Means To Be Real Women - Podcast, Part 1 and Part 2 (mp3)
Yay Verily! A Fresh Magazine with a Fresh Message

So where does Verily stand on issues other than alternative fashion? What is its attitude towards physical beauty, fitness, and health? The blog does not shed much light on what the contributors and editors think about feminism. The magazine is not "Catholic" though some of its editors are cradle(?) Catholics. Based on what I read in the Patheos article, so far it is an inadequate response to feminism. I'll have to listen to the podcasts.

I am reminded of LC/RC's Pure Fashion. (A post from 2009.) Then there is the use of mass media to "evangelize" the masses. Can contemporary mass marketing techniques be used to make virtue appealing to the "sisterhood"? How can the print magazine become financially viable without some sort of advertising? I cannot see how periodicals aiming for a large audience can accept advertising without compromising on their message and values. Would education by older women, coupled with good peer or social pressure in an existing community, be more effective? Some may end up rejecting traditional values, but they are free to go their own way. That would be better than staying and poisoning the minds and hearts of others.

Perhaps it is unavoidable that women will be concerned with their looks, since that is the means by which they are presentable to (and attract) men. But what of the competition for status among women, both with respect to appearance and the sort of man they can get? Is that such a laudable thing? An honest discussion of hypergamy?Will they advocate traditional roles needed for the rebuilding of family and community? A better word would be "feminine," if it is defined properly. What of an endorsement of slut-shaming in order to strike against female promiscuity? Or will the magazine be "nice" to keep customers?

Will women be encouraged to develop their own particular strengths, rather than competing with men and displacing them from the civic brotherhood? I continue to have doubts about the distinction between "private" and "public"; such a division may seem too "confining" to women. "Domestic" versus "communal" is much better, and women have their own part to play in the communal sphere, interacting with other families, but primarily with other women, children, and their elders. Men interact with other families as well, but primarily in their cooperation with other men in ordering the community and laboring for its perfection.


More Links:
FB for Verily
Dawn Eden on Christopher Closeup
Dance Immaculata
Glorify God

Friday, October 21, 2011

Extreme Makeover by Teresa Tomeo

Ignatius Press

Insight Scoop: Teresa Tomeo talks about...
It seems like that this book wouldn't really add much to what people like Leah Darrow or Maggie Gallagher already say against the sexual revolution and/or feminism. So does Teresa Tomeo go far enough in her criticisms? Does she put the blame solely on certain parts of the ideology, or does she go after all of it and its appeal to narcissistic women, or women affected by original sin? This is not merely a problem of ideas, but of character.

Saturday, September 18, 2010

Pants vs. skirts

A post on the question of modesty in women's dress at The Thinking Housewife (along with a discussion of authority): Skirts, Pants and Totalitarianism

The text often cited by traditionalists is the Notification concerning Men's Dress Worn By Women by Giuseppe Cardinal Siri (translation by Bishop Williamson). (Some discussion of that text here.) I don't think I have anything new at the moment to add to the discussion--the reactions elicited by the post at CatholiCity gives some indication of the problems associated with easy access to the Internet for anyone with an opinion. Apparently, there are a lot of issues all tangled up together -- whether men should have any say over what their wives wear, whether women should be modest, whether women should care about maintaining their appearance, and so on... feminists have answers to these questions, and it seems to me that some Catholic women may be repeating their answers and attitudes.

More:
Immodesty and Women Wearing Men's Clothing by Marian Therese Horvat, Ph.D.

Sunday, November 01, 2009

Even if we wouldn't want to require women to wear burqas, might it not be good for all involved if there were a distinction in dress between single and married women?

Tuesday, September 15, 2009

Pure Fashion


Some have left comments to a thread at Catholic Light criticizing Pure Fashion. Pete Vere's second comment may seem at first to likely inspire a sympathetic reaction: "Come to think about it, what's Pure Fashion's message? In scanning photo and video galleries posted to their website, I'm surprised none of the feminist bloggers (or Catholic parents for that matter) picked up on the absence of more heavyset models (For previous discussion on this topic, click here). After all, this is a concern with the fashion industry that feminists and orthodox Catholics have often shared. And given the underlying context of character development, one would think all young ladies could benefit, not just those of a certain body type."

But on the website I see the Pure Fashion models having a variety of body types -- not everyone is stick-thin. But if we are talking about plus sizes... should people take pride in being overweight? Should we be so quick to blame it on our "genes," as opposed to cultural and character causes?

Moreover, some have expressed a concern that Pure Fashion fosters an excessive/disordered concern for appearance, as opposed to being primarily concerned for the state of one's character (and soul). One comment states, "I'm sorry, but this whole Pure Fashion idea is buying into the secular message of the day, trying to baptize a fundamentally disordered worldview. It's all 'look at me' (even if I'm pure). 'I'm to be imitated.' 'Aren't I pretty (and modest)?' Can you imagine Our Lady participating in a fashion show? I didn't think so." Another critic says that "The program is "pure" only when compared to the completely impure and immodest dress and behavior of most young women ages 13+ -- and let's fact it, often younger. The LC/RC fashion shows do not at all develop or reinforce the true ideals of Catholic womanhood, as revealed in the person of Our Blessed Mother. In fact -- far from it."

I am bothered when my first niece (who is turning 4 next month) says things like, "I am pretty," as I am concerned that she may become too narcissistic, placing an exaggerated notion on her own and ultimately, other people's appearance. However, this inclination to be pleasing to the eyes of other also seems natural to women, and I would be wary of calling it a consequence of original sin only.

Do Pure Fashion promoters emphasize a healthy lifestyle and body enough? Do they believe that it is important to maintain a "thin" body only for the sake of appearance (or attracting others)? Do they admit that there woman are concerned with their bodies, as opposed to what covers them? And what of the fact that women are often the harshest critics of other women, while what men accept in their wives and girlfriends is considerably broader? (Even if they do have limits before they become repulsed. There is a reason why the expression "letting one's self go" is in use, as it implies a character defect.) Does a Christian woman have an obligation to keep up her appearance, within reason, for the sake of her husband?

St. Josemaria Escrivá has been criticized for saying things like the following:
Another important thing is personal appearance. And I would say that any priest who says the contrary is a bad adviser. As years go by a woman who lives in the world has to take more care not only of her interior life, but also of her looks. Her interior life itself requires her to be careful about her personal appearance; naturally this should always be in keeping with her age and circumstances. I often say jokingly that older facades need more restoration. It is the advice of a priest. An old Spanish saying goes: 'A well-groomed woman keeps her husband away from other doors.'
And from Christ is Passing By:
Wives, you should ask yourselves whether you are not forgetting a little about your appearance. Remember all the sayings about women who should take care to look pretty. Your duty is, and will always be, to take as good care of your appearance as you did before you were married — and it is a duty of justice, because you belong to your husband. And husbands should not forget that they belong to their wives, and that as long as they live they have the obligation to show the same affection as a young man who has just fallen in love. It would be a bad sign if you smile ironically as you hear this; it would mean that your love has turned into cold indifference.
What of unmarried women who are trying to look presentable and attract a husband?

How do critics of immodest fashion respond without being puritannical or abitrarily choosing something from the distant past (and thus not meeting the need for some sort of cultural continuity in order to fit in and be able to open others to conversation)? Anything that is countercultural within fashion must find some sort of justification that is both negative (it's not immodest) as well as positive (it flatters while maintaining modesty), and I don't see how there cannot be a positive justification that does not touch upon having a concern for one's appearance.

The Pure Fashion Mission states: "Through an eight month Model Training Program that covers public speaking, manners and social graces, hair and make up artistry, personal presentation, and much more, Pure Fashion models learn the importance of living a life in accordance with God’s will and fostering a life of grace through purity of heart, mind, and body. The Pure Fashion program culminates in a city-wide fashion show featuring clothing that is pretty but not provocative, trendy but still tasteful."

How is that different from the charm schools or finishing schools of the past? Putting on a fashion show, though, may be a bit too much.

I think that one's appearance is a legitimate external good (for both men and women, though for men in perhaps different ways), and should be cared for, within reason, and thus ordered to higher goods. Neglecting one's appearance is permissible only for a few, if even them. (Even those who have taken the vow of poverty should take measures to be clean and presentable to others, if not for the sake of health and hygiene then for the sake of being able to discourse with others.)

Certainly Catholics should strive to maintain their health, have more physical activity in their work and daily lives, eat a healthier diet, and learn to make their own clothes--if done on a wide-scale, this would obviate the need for movements like Pure Fashion. But while they are in the world, but not of it, and not building a new society from scratch, they will have to maintain a balance between a reactive and proactive posture, and Pure Fashion may provide some sort of appropriate guidance with respect to clothing and fashion.

As for Pure Fashion's perceived lack of ethnic diversity -- the Church is supposed to be universal, but the activity of Pure Fashion seems to be limited to the United States. Should they have members of other ethnic groups involved? Perhaps. But are Catholics of other ethnic groups usually concerned with modesty in clothing? My guess is that Hispanics who are involved with LC/RC would become involved with Pure Fashion. But those who are not already associated with RC in some way probably wouldn't. (One doesn't see too many Asians here in the US involved with LC/RC. They're either ignorant of the groups or they're just not interested.)

As a national movement, I suppose Pure Fashion should be concerned with showing some cultural diversity in its [national] promotional materials. But if one group or another is present in overwhelming numbers at local events, and the photos reflect this, can we really judge Pure Fashion to be too exclusive?

Is there something analogous to Pure Fashion in Latin America? I suppose there would be complaints if that were to feature, for example, Mexicans of the upper class and not mestizos, and some would be thinking that their apostolate is too narrow. But do the poor really have the same sort of temptations regarding fashion and outward appearance that the rich do?

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Pure Fashion Sacramento

Tuesday, September 02, 2008

More at VFR on modesty in fashion

Sexual liberation and perversity have taken over the world and the toothpaste can't be put back in the tube

and this post critical of Peter Hitchens: The conservative Peter Hitchens's kneejerk liberal comment on women's dress

Was Mr. Hitchens being a "liberal" or a typical "guy"? Or was he employing sarcasm or a certain mode of speech? Trying to provoke certain readers into considering the consequences of their actions or their motivations?

As for Mr. Auster's own comments... they do provide for thought, but I wouldn't agree with everything:
I disagree with what I would describe as ILW's extreme traditionalist view (similar to the Catholic traditionalist view) that either sex is for nothing but procreation, or sex is nothing but sport and entertainment.
Are there some Jansenists still out there? Sure. But traditionalists Catholics talk about procreation being primary, as opposed to being the 'only' purpose.

Dennis Prager, from several years ago:
Fearlessly Feminine: Why Women Are Exposing Themselves (part 1)
Fearlessly Feminine: Why Women are Exposing themselves (part 2)

Dennis Prager @ Townhall: part 1, 2

Thursday, August 24, 2006

Rediscovering Modesty from Within

Rediscovering Modesty from Within

by Peter A. Kwasniewski

Modesty is a type of temperance. It tempers, it makes rational, the way we move our body, our playful actions, our style of clothing, and more fundamentally, the passions of the soul that underlie these things.1 According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the notion of "modesty" in dress, speech, or behavior is derived from the notion of moderation, of doing something in a fitting, well-considered manner that observes a mean between extremes.2 In this instance, the extremes are shamelessness (the more common) and prudery or unhealthy inhibition. Like all moral virtues, it gives not only an aptitude for wanting and choosing what is right in this regard, but it urges us to do so; it becomes a second nature, an energetic disposition. And, Thomas would remind us, modesty helps us to enjoy rightly the lesser goods of the body; there is no question of choking legitimate passions when person, place, and time call for it. The modest person is one whose actions and appearance consistently reflect self-mastery, good judgment of what is appropriate, a firm command over feelings, a serene ability to express and to "be" oneself without self-advertisement. Hence, true modesty begins in the soul and only later catches the eye's or ear's notice.

The German philosopher Peter Wust speaks of the proper attitude a person should take to his own existence, and while this sounds quite abstract, it seems to me that we must begin here if we are going to understand modesty. "Piety towards oneself surrounds the self like a delicate membrane, which must be kept safe from harm if we want to protect our souls from being laid open to great dangers." This piety is concerned with "values, which are, as it were, a heavenly trust within us which we are bound to defend whenever a hostile power threatens to profane them."3 "Our soul in its ultimate depths is a secret, and this is the inner chamber of the soul which we are, up to a certain point, obliged to preserve religiously. Reverence for ourselves forbids us to unveil the sanctuary of our souls with a rash and impious hand, and to do so would be a real profanation and show an unforgivable lack of modesty."4 Many in the Western world, it seems, ignore the need for, or attack the idea of, such an inner modesty, which is the true cause and ground for outward modesty. "The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light; but if your eye is not sound, your whole body will be full of darkness" (Mt. 6:22-23). Gabriel Marcel comments: "Against this modesty [of the spirit], in fact, the most active and most opposite powers of our age have made alliance."5

There are different aspects of the virtue of modesty, and it's unfortunate that only the most elementary kind, decency of dress, has tended to receive the name, although one still catches a hint of the older meaning when a man who does not put himself forward is described as "modest." The deeper, inward modesty consists in regulating one's entire life in a manner that is calm, gentle, reverent, and pure. Putting on modest clothing or avoiding immodest dances is not enough; countless men and women have shown a riotous immodesty in private, despite a pristine public demeanor. Research on the prim and proper Victorians has shown that beneath their apparent reserve was a welter of unchastity. Obviously, it is not enough to have the trappings of virtue. One must interiorize virtue, it must become the guiding principle of one's desires and thoughts. Only in this way will the outward dimension correspond to the inward and vice versa.

The modesty most required for the basic health of society — dressing and comporting oneself in a manner that will not excite undue attention from the opposite sex — has been discarded in modern Western societies, and its opposite flaunted. Many earnest Christians, and sadly, even Catholics who sincerely want to lead a life of sexual purity, seem to be unaware of the link between a chaste heart and a chaste appearance, between commitment of will and presentation of body, an ignorance all the more surprising in that the connection has been understood in every age other than ours. There are, for example, young Catholics who try to be pure but who continue to dress as their secular peers do, in provocative or inappropriate styles of clothing. One sees this vividly at World Youth Days, where, in addition to immodesty, an astonishing lack of awareness of what is appropriate for a sacred and solemn event is all too common. Obviously, warm weather and long hikes have to be taken into account, but there are modest and immodest solutions to any situation. Who has not been struck by old black and white photographs of pioneer settlers who, in the midst of sweltering summer heat, wore multi-layered, full-length outfits? I don't suggest we return to that, but I do say that we could heed their example of propriety and stamina.

Habitual lovers of pleasure dress as they do for a reason, even if they could not articulate it: they live for physical comfort, and anything which could cause discomfort or inconvenience or interfere with the experience of pleasure is to be rejected out of hand. For the hedonist the question of competing values never arises because he or she does not seem to think that there are any other values. Thus clothing will be chosen with only two criteria in mind: first, comfort; second, the provocative, even erotic, effect it may have on others. Clearly, as a small part of sound asceticism, Christians ought to reject this sort of pampering of and pandering to the body. St. Paul describes the believer as one who is "always carrying in [his] body the death of Jesus, so that the life of Jesus may also be manifested in our bodies" (2 Cor. 4:10). We cannot pretend that how we treat ourselves bodily, how we eat and dress and look and move, whether we do so with restraint or abandon, with polite regard or thoughtlessness, with responsibility or naiveté, are spiritually irrelevant "fine points." On the contrary, they are essential. They, too, will either manifest the life of Jesus to the world, or promote a contrary spirit. How someone treats, displays, and makes use of the body reveals much about the workings of the soul: who a man is, who he thinks he is, what he thinks about, what he wants. In more ways than people realize, looks are not deceiving; "the medium is the message."

We read in 1 Tim. 2:8-10:

(2:8) I desire then that in every place the men should pray, lifting holy hands without anger or quarreling; (2:9) also that women should adorn themselves modestly and sensibly in seemly apparel, not with braided hair or gold or pearls or costly attire (2:10) but by good deeds, as befits women who profess religion.

It is as if St. Paul were saying there is a way of behaving and appearing which is inseparable from the Christian way of life; it is one of the marks of the believer in the world. Modesty, like peacefulness, though primarily a good of the soul, does not stop at the soul, but has an effect on all aspects of social life. The Christian needs to give the world this example. The very absence of excess is worthy of making its presence known. Modesty is a deep human need that is only rejected at great expense to integrity and legitimate self-love. How many women are there whose dignity is wounded, and whose memory is loaded with one incident after another of men using them? They have suffered much on that account, on account of poor upbringing, poor education, poor advice. They needed modesty, which is so closely bound up with the fact and the feeling of human dignity. Now that they have suffered from its absence, they need it even more to recover their dignity, their sense of worth, of being a person who deserves to be loved for her own sake. Everyone wants to be loved as a person, not a thing — a who, not a what.

The Christian is called upon to proclaim the primacy of the human over the animal, and with it, the inviolable sacredness of a body that receives life and movement from an immortal soul fashioned after the image of God. "The Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being" (Gen. 2:7). "Thou didst knit me together in my mother's womb . . . My frame was not hidden from thee, when I was being made in secret, intricately wrought in the depths of the earth" (Ps. 139:13, 15). The body is a creation of almighty God, the temple of his Spirit, washed and anointed in baptism, promised a share of bliss in the final resurrection. Our appearance and way of behaving should bear witness to the uniquely Catholic truth that both celibacy and marriage prize the human body as a worthy offering of love, a channel of grace, a sacred sign, when consecrated by the sacraments of Jesus Christ. "The body is not meant for immortality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body" (1 Cor. 6:13).

Whether we speak of an organic body, a political body, or the Mystical Body, each in its own way is a unity composed of many distinct parts in hierarchical order and relationship. The human person is, in a sense, a hierarchy of elements of personhood: there are many layers or levels to me, and not all of them should stand in the forefront. Radical egalitarianism is an error no less in the personal than in the social sphere. The bodily dimension of a person carries with it sacramental significance, above all the naked body, as John Paul II has explained in his audiences on the original unity of man and woman. The naked body is the most expressive gift spouses give to each other. In giving it they give themselves, since the body is not something I "possess" as if it were my property, but a true part of who I am. The human person is not "in" a body but is bodily. "Why are there so many members in a natural body — hands, feet, mouth, and the like?" asks St. Thomas. "They serve the soul's variety of activities. The soul itself is the cause and principle of these members, and what they are, the soul is virtually. For the body is made for the soul, and not the other way around. The natural body is a certain fullness of the soul."7 Hence, the body, far more than any other gift that can be given, ought to be unwrapped and taken only by him or her to whom it has been solemnly vowed, even as the blessed Eucharist, which contains the true body of our Lord, is to be received only by the baptized, those who are wedded to Christ in charity. A man's body, teaches St. Paul, no longer belongs to him, but to his wife, and her body to him (1 Cor. 7:4).

It is worth dwelling on the special sacramental bond uniting husband and wife and the all-encompassing modesty, the sensitivity of soul, it demands. Modesty is an essential virtue not because the body or the passions are shameful in themselves. It is their very natural goodness and their potential as ministers of grace that imposes a duty to protect them from abuse, manipulation, and disorder. Think of the beautiful words of St. Paul, so exalted, so full of God's love for all that he has made and redeemed: "Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God? You are not your own; you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body" (1 Cor. 6:19-20). Human beings are called upon to guard the secret of their personhood, a precious gift from God, a mystery not indiscriminate public consumption. To the courting, the betrothed, the newlywed, the lifelong pair, a heavenly trust is given and they are bound to defend it against hostile powers that threaten to profane it. At their core man and woman are secrets to be shared in love. The inner chamber cannot be left open as a public playground; it should be treated with a reverence like that with which we approach the sanctuary and tabernacle of a church.

The virtue of religion, whereby we give back to the infinite God what we are able to give, includes the offering up to him of our persons, our bodies and souls, in faithful love. This is why modesty is both a consequence and a safeguard of religion. Holiness, we read in St. Thomas, denotes two things: being clean and being firm.8 "Blessed are the clean of heart, for they shall see God": blessed are they who firmly preserve their purity of soul and body, for the sake of loving God with their whole being. The sight of God, the great goal and joy of Christian life, is the ultimate reason we must keep our hearts, our words, our movements and appearance, pure, undefiled, simple, restrained. In so doing, our way of life is conformed to that of our Lord Jesus Christ, and makes present in a fallen, soiled world something of the bright innocence, the serene peace, the incorruptible freshness of the Holy Spirit.

Notes

1. See Summa Theologiae [ST] II-II, q. 160 on modesty in general, and qq. 168-169 on the species of modesty that concern external actions and appearance. As these discussions fall within the larger treatise on temperance (qq. 141-170), modesty has to be understood in connection with the larger human responsibility of training and perfecting the concupiscible appetite, the power of loving pleasant things and bearing unpleasant ones.

2. See ST I-II, q. 70, a. 3: "Man is well disposed in respect of that which is below him, as regards external action, by modesty, whereby we observe the mode in all our words and deeds." ST II-II, q. 120, a. 2: "Modesty, which is reckoned a part of temperance, moderates man's outward life — for instance, in his deportment, dress or the like."

3. Quoted in Gabriel Marcel, Being and Having: An Existentialist Diary (New York: Harper & Row, 1965), 223.

4. Ibid., 224.

5. Ibid., 224.

6. Indeed, in an way unusual for chant, the Gregorian melody turns up at the end of that statement, as if asking a question — or, perhaps, prompting an examination of conscience.

7. Commentary on Ephesians, ch. 1, lec. 8.

8. ST II-II, q. 81, a. 8.

Dr. Peter Kwasniewski teaches philosophy and theology at the International Theological Institute in Gaming, Austria, about ninety miles from Vienna. He received his BA from Thomas Aquinas College and his PhD in philosophy from The Catholic University of America. He lives in Gaming with his wife Clarissa and their children Julian and Rose.