Tuesday, November 08, 2011
Monday, November 07, 2011
A battle for hearts and minds -- a paleo or traditionalist program for localization will have different aims and reasons, though some of the actions may seem similar. An example of the thinking we might have to counter: 10 Steps to Defeat the Corporatocracy. It's not completely devoid of the truth, but it is suffused with contemporary ideologies that, if lived and applied, would actually destroy community.
A poor narrative
Not written by Dmitry Orlov, but one of his correspondents: The Russian Soul and the Collapse of the West. It opens:
The earliest stirrings of modern industrial society can be traced back to some 6,000 years ago, to the emergence of the first cities, the emergence of agriculture and storage of food surpluses in the Near East. A bit later, analytic and linguistic keys to the forward march of civilization found critical refinement in Aristotle’s syllogistic logic and the founding of the sciences. The current trajectory of the West burst into full self-consciousness during the period of European Enlightenment, with the birth of rationalism and the elaboration of the modern scientific method. These, in turn, eventually gave rise to the industrialization, hyper-specialization, technological innovation and increasing commodification of just about everything that we are witnessing today.It reads more like a diatribe by an anarcho-primitivist than something you would expect at ClubOrlov. It is questionable that the advances in technology in the 18th and 19th centuries could be credited to the Enlightenement, rather than to the work of tinkerers outside of academia. Such advances were then exploited by those who had the means to do so - those who had a lot of property, and I don't think we can talk about the causes of the rise of industrial capitalism without first considering the rise of the modern nation-state, which is not the ideal political entity for Aristotle (and many of the Greeks) or the more clear-headed of the medievals.
Relying on the past as cultural parasites
Or as vultures? What would be a better metaphor?
The trailer for the movie Hugo by Martin Scorcese reminded me of older movies and dramas about WW2 Britain.
(Apple)
It is similar to Harry Potter in that sense, which depends upon memories of the glory days of British schools -- many stories recall the joys of the past while rejecting and subverting the remnants of tradition. (I won't go so far as to say that tradition was solely responsible for the apogee of material culture; it was the destruction of traditional life that made it possible. But what civilized life there was depended in the adhesion of the people upon traditional morals.) It turns out that the movie, based on a children's book, is actually set in 1900 Paris - the language of the movie threw me off... still, for some, it was the heyday of European civilization before the Great Calamity.
At one extreme there are the leftists, who seek to subvert traditional Western culture through multiculturalism and other programs. At the other extreme there are those who identify culture solely with race. For example, this comment at Alternative Right is a manifestation of a kind of crude materialism:
What constitutes a people is also determined by questions of lineage and marriage and how the group choses to identify itself. Are there lines of descent to the first ancestors? (And how far should one take this, since Christians usually believe that Adam and Eve are the first parents.) Are white nationalists therefore making an idol out of races and their origin, whatever the causes of the differentiation may be? Is the (epi-)genetic "distinctiveness" that separates one race from another so significant that it must be preserved above all else through miscegenation laws and what have you?
Related:
VDare: Farah On Immigration And The Bible: Love Our Neighbor—Not Give Him Our Country
(I should find a copy of Fr. Bascio's book.)
Steve Sailer, Your ancestors more likely to be pioneers than stay-at-homes
Was the American pioneering spirit a contributor to its downfall?
The trailer for the movie Hugo by Martin Scorcese reminded me of older movies and dramas about WW2 Britain.
(Apple)
It is similar to Harry Potter in that sense, which depends upon memories of the glory days of British schools -- many stories recall the joys of the past while rejecting and subverting the remnants of tradition. (I won't go so far as to say that tradition was solely responsible for the apogee of material culture; it was the destruction of traditional life that made it possible. But what civilized life there was depended in the adhesion of the people upon traditional morals.) It turns out that the movie, based on a children's book, is actually set in 1900 Paris - the language of the movie threw me off... still, for some, it was the heyday of European civilization before the Great Calamity.
At one extreme there are the leftists, who seek to subvert traditional Western culture through multiculturalism and other programs. At the other extreme there are those who identify culture solely with race. For example, this comment at Alternative Right is a manifestation of a kind of crude materialism:
Asians can not assimilate to Native Born White American culture because they are of a different racial kind...Nations are race-based-blood and guts entities...everyone understands this obvious point..by the way..even if every Appalchian White was replaced by a Sihk..and if the Sihks spoke with southern accents and played and composed Appalchian Celtic based fiddle music, it would be an Appalachia withput White Appalachian people...and there is no reason why Appalachian Whites should be in favor in this..for it is obvious genocide..now let's be honest the probability of Sihk Appalachia being 100 percent culturally and socially Appalachian White is exactly 0....Punjabi society would be the dominant culture in Appalachia.Even if they wanted to, could Sihks (or Indians in general) become Appalachians? The thought experiment is misleading because it is rather impossible to achieve. The disappearance or replacement could not be instantaneous.What if some Sihks moved in, adopted the native culture (and gave up their religion), and married whites? Would the children of such marriages be Appalachians? Or would they forever be outsiders?
What constitutes a people is also determined by questions of lineage and marriage and how the group choses to identify itself. Are there lines of descent to the first ancestors? (And how far should one take this, since Christians usually believe that Adam and Eve are the first parents.) Are white nationalists therefore making an idol out of races and their origin, whatever the causes of the differentiation may be? Is the (epi-)genetic "distinctiveness" that separates one race from another so significant that it must be preserved above all else through miscegenation laws and what have you?
Related:
VDare: Farah On Immigration And The Bible: Love Our Neighbor—Not Give Him Our Country
(I should find a copy of Fr. Bascio's book.)
Steve Sailer, Your ancestors more likely to be pioneers than stay-at-homes
Was the American pioneering spirit a contributor to its downfall?
Fr. Amorth endorses Medjugorje
Mark Shea: Fr. Gabriele Amorth: Loose Canon
(See also Richard Chonak, Donal Foley's powerful case against Medjugorje)
Edited.
Scott Richert, An Exorcist Looks at Medjugorje
(See also Richard Chonak, Donal Foley's powerful case against Medjugorje)
Edited.
Scott Richert, An Exorcist Looks at Medjugorje
Did Russell Kirk believe in a version of the proposition nation?
In God’s Own Good Time: Reflections upon American Order
He does seem to subscribe more to a nationalist conception than to a federalist conception of the United States.
Far from being stagnant, the American order still is developing. This word “order” implies membership: an order is something that one belongs to. All American citizens are born into this American order, or else are formally naturalized into it. Active participation in this order is both a right and an obligation, and whether this order improves or decays must depend upon the quality of that participation.Not quite - Mr. Kirk does not reduce American culture to a list of propositions about dignity, equality, and rights and American identity to the belief in this creed. But there is more to a culture than the laws and customs of a community (even if they are an important constituent). Was the factor of communal and group identity (and its dependence upon culture) so obvious to him that he didn't consider them?
From the Declaration and the Constitution onward, the American order stood open to whomever desired to share in it, and could make his way to the United States. America’s society was pluralistic and tolerant enough, generally, but cemented by willing allegiance to the written and unwritten constitutions.
Although the tree of American order has grown mightily in height and breadth since the closing years of the eighteenth century, it could not have flourished had its old roots been unhealthy. Those roots go deep, but they require watering from time to time. Whatever the failings of America in the seventh decade of the twentieth century, the American order has been a conspicuous success in the perspective of human history. Under God, a large measure of justice has been achieved; the state is strong and energetic; personal freedom is protected by laws and customs; and a sense of community endures. The histories of most societies have been records of painful striving, brief success (if success at all), and then decay and ruin. No man can know the future, but most Americans believe that their order will continue to bring out what Orestes Brownson called “the dialectic union of authority and liberty.”
He does seem to subscribe more to a nationalist conception than to a federalist conception of the United States.
Some blogs
Someone recommended the following blogs to me which help men who want to become better men.
Everyday Thoughts on Life (defunct)
Biblical Manhood (defunct)
Samson's Jawbone
Hidden Leaves
And there's the new group endeavor, Patriactionary.
I have already linked to stuff by Elusive Wapiti and The Social Pathologist.
Related:
The Hawaiian Libertarian: Got Game?
Everyday Thoughts on Life (defunct)
Biblical Manhood (defunct)
Samson's Jawbone
Hidden Leaves
And there's the new group endeavor, Patriactionary.
I have already linked to stuff by Elusive Wapiti and The Social Pathologist.
Related:
The Hawaiian Libertarian: Got Game?
Real story of SEAL Team 6's mission to kill bin Laden By SUSANNAH CAHALAN
(via VFR)
Something more recent: Commandos clear Gardez bazaars, capture Taliban facilitator
(via VFR)
Something more recent: Commandos clear Gardez bazaars, capture Taliban facilitator
Online discussion of Genesis 3:16
See the comments to this thread at Patriactionary.
Traditional Christianity
One of the original sparks to the discussion.
Some have tried to explain Genesis 3:16 in terms of how domestic rule occurs and its circumstances, and the difference between what obtained before the Fall and what is "normal" afterwards - there is tension and conflict, a hesitation on the part of women to submit and obey, and so on. Instead of domestic harmony arising from rightly ordered appetites, there is something more along the lines of the imposing of one's will. This is a plausible interpretation. That the rule of the husband is natural and ordained by God, I don't think any of the participants in the discussion would dispute.
Instead of looking at how rule is accomplished, I prefer the following understanding of the curse on the woman. I'd have to look up the original words in Hebrew and Greek but I suspect that what is translated as "rule" in Gen 3:16 is aking to "lord" in Matthew 20:25 - to tyrannize or dominate, lording it over like the Gentiles. Using women for gratification falls under this - taking the lead of a woman and exploiting it for a perverse end. Instead of ordering the affairs of the household for the benefit of the household (the domestic common good), the man orders it for his own good.
But another thing that should be looked at is the woman's desire for the man. Is there no moral evaluation of it, or is it disordered as well. I am aware of the danger of applying a contemporary understanding of hypergamy and so on in understanding Sacred Scripture, but as real-world data, it may be a legitimate way of interpreting what is being said in Scripture. The desire is more than just [sexual] concupiscence -- it is also a statement about the sort of man to which she will be attracted, and what she is willing to do to obtain him. (Disobeying God's law?)
But is there a parallel between what is said for Adam and what is said for Eve? Is it the case that the woman will perceive obedience as unpleasant or difficult? Or the sort of leadership she will experience?
Related:
Dark Brightness: We are not sheep or cows. Divorce and covenant
See also Feminism is an idol. and To who should we submit?
CL: If you don’t claim her, someone else will.
Traditional Christianity
One of the original sparks to the discussion.
Some have tried to explain Genesis 3:16 in terms of how domestic rule occurs and its circumstances, and the difference between what obtained before the Fall and what is "normal" afterwards - there is tension and conflict, a hesitation on the part of women to submit and obey, and so on. Instead of domestic harmony arising from rightly ordered appetites, there is something more along the lines of the imposing of one's will. This is a plausible interpretation. That the rule of the husband is natural and ordained by God, I don't think any of the participants in the discussion would dispute.
Instead of looking at how rule is accomplished, I prefer the following understanding of the curse on the woman. I'd have to look up the original words in Hebrew and Greek but I suspect that what is translated as "rule" in Gen 3:16 is aking to "lord" in Matthew 20:25 - to tyrannize or dominate, lording it over like the Gentiles. Using women for gratification falls under this - taking the lead of a woman and exploiting it for a perverse end. Instead of ordering the affairs of the household for the benefit of the household (the domestic common good), the man orders it for his own good.
But another thing that should be looked at is the woman's desire for the man. Is there no moral evaluation of it, or is it disordered as well. I am aware of the danger of applying a contemporary understanding of hypergamy and so on in understanding Sacred Scripture, but as real-world data, it may be a legitimate way of interpreting what is being said in Scripture. The desire is more than just [sexual] concupiscence -- it is also a statement about the sort of man to which she will be attracted, and what she is willing to do to obtain him. (Disobeying God's law?)
But is there a parallel between what is said for Adam and what is said for Eve? Is it the case that the woman will perceive obedience as unpleasant or difficult? Or the sort of leadership she will experience?
Related:
Dark Brightness: We are not sheep or cows. Divorce and covenant
See also Feminism is an idol. and To who should we submit?
CL: If you don’t claim her, someone else will.
Rod Dreher recognizes this
Crunchy Cons made a big media splash when it appeared and—as expected—attracted a good deal of contumely from neoconservatives, some of it thoughtful, most of it hysterical. Many right-wing Americans cannot conceive that there was any such thing as conservatism B.R. (Before Reagan) or that uncritical worship of the free market undermines the foundations of the social order. Despite the intentionally hyperbolic claim in its subtitle that the book’s ideas would save the Republican Party, Crunchy Cons did not suggest a political program but rather called for conservatives—especially religious conservatives—to rethink their way of life in light of first principles and reform accordingly.
So, did it work? The evidence is not strong that Crunchy Cons made much difference, politically or otherwise. The one area in which it seemed that a crunchy-con sensibility might have some impact—the nascent enthusiasm of young Evangelicals for environmental protection—has largely dissipated amid continuing economic anxiety.
Realistically, there never was a real chance that crunchy conservatism was going to take off. For one thing, it lacked a defined program or a clear constituency. For another, Americans don’t like to be told to live within limits, even if you can justify that stance by reference to traditional religion and conservative political philosophy. In a country whose approach to religion has become therapeutic, not prophetic—oriented toward feeling good about oneself rather than doing the right thing—a Kirkian conservatism is bound to be a hard sell.
From The Greening of Conservatism
What ever happened to the Birkenstocked Burkeans?
More from Rod Dreher: Egalitarians vs. gifted kids
What would Mencken have done to Limbaugh?
Mead: Fear the Identity Wars (a response to Mead by Daniel Larison)
Looking through the results for Orthodox churches, I came across the website for St. Mark's in Dallas. A picture of its iconostasis. My first thought is that Roman-rite Catholics should patronize a revitalization of church architecture, but this shouldn't be done until we have recovered a better sense of what parish life should be like, and this requires that we reconsider how big our parishes should be. While the Diocese of San Jose is trying to raise money for the establishment of a new parish (which will serve perhaps 5000 people), Eastern Christians have smaller communities, so small that the priest knows every member by name. Yesterday, Fr. A was able to pray for everyone receiving communion by name. (Mom's favorite Fr. M was concelebrating.) This seems proper for someone who is supposed to be the spiritual father of the community. What can the American Church do to reform parish life? Is it prohibited from doing so because of the financial costs?
Items of Interest, 7 November 2011
Gareth Porter, Debunking the Iran Terror Plot
Thomas Fleming, Republican Party Suicide
Anthony Esolen, Big Rock Candy Nation and Part Two
Wisconsin: Legislature Passes Castle Doctrine Giving Homeowners Great Protection
Relocalization:
Local Money Creates Wealth Outside the Bubble (EB)
John Robb, Resilient Energy: Municipalization of Power
Rob Vischer, Should I become a distributist?
Occupy the economy by building local business by Vicki Robin (EB)
Don't occupy Wall Street, ditch it! by Michael Shuman (EB)
OWS:
What caused the financial crisis? The Big Lie goes viral.
Presenting the Economic Policy of the Occupy Movement (EB)
Dave Pollard, The Metamovement's Message: We're Not Taking It Anymore (EB)
David D'Amato, Big Business: Good for America?
Kevin Carson, To OWS: Withdraw Consent and Starve the System
Capitalism and environmental catastrophe by John Bellamy Foster (EB)
Remember, Remember the Fifth of November
The Occupy Movement and the Black Bloc
Peak Oil:
Tom Whipple, Peak Oil Review, November 7
Saturday Oil Report -- November 5, 2011 by Dave Cohen
ASPO Italy 5 Beyond Peak Oil (EB)
Ricardo study suggests global oil demand may peak before 2020 (EB)
Feminism:
Laura Word, A Few Words on the Women's Franchise
Mark Richardson, The family - motherhood, The family - fatherhood, and Stealing motherhood
Dalrock, Submitting to the patriarchy in their heads
Promiscuity is good, so long as it is done on the woman’s terms.
Boundless is their foolishness.
On Marriage: Paternity Establishment and the Commons
Gage Riley's amicus brief for the Prop. 8 case
South Korea:
Student fashions fuse modern and traditional
New insights into traditional music
Music:
Thomas Fleming, Republican Party Suicide
Anthony Esolen, Big Rock Candy Nation and Part Two
Wisconsin: Legislature Passes Castle Doctrine Giving Homeowners Great Protection
Relocalization:
Local Money Creates Wealth Outside the Bubble (EB)
John Robb, Resilient Energy: Municipalization of Power
Rob Vischer, Should I become a distributist?
Occupy the economy by building local business by Vicki Robin (EB)
Don't occupy Wall Street, ditch it! by Michael Shuman (EB)
OWS:
What caused the financial crisis? The Big Lie goes viral.
Presenting the Economic Policy of the Occupy Movement (EB)
Dave Pollard, The Metamovement's Message: We're Not Taking It Anymore (EB)
David D'Amato, Big Business: Good for America?
Kevin Carson, To OWS: Withdraw Consent and Starve the System
Capitalism and environmental catastrophe by John Bellamy Foster (EB)
Remember, Remember the Fifth of November
The Occupy Movement and the Black Bloc
Peak Oil:
Tom Whipple, Peak Oil Review, November 7
Saturday Oil Report -- November 5, 2011 by Dave Cohen
ASPO Italy 5 Beyond Peak Oil (EB)
Ricardo study suggests global oil demand may peak before 2020 (EB)
Feminism:
Laura Word, A Few Words on the Women's Franchise
Women promoting the welfare state, collectivism, and the restruction of legitimate liberties because of emotion, or some supposed "ethics of care." Such compassion serves its role in their work in their network of family, friends, and local community, but it is dangerous when applied to political deliberation. The male mind is better suited to considerations of justice, the apportioning of responsibility and obligation. Additionally, if we understand that part of communal life as men cooperating for the sake of the well-being of the group, then the presence of women cannot be but disruptive and a hindrance.
Mark Richardson, The family - motherhood, The family - fatherhood, and Stealing motherhood
Dalrock, Submitting to the patriarchy in their heads
Promiscuity is good, so long as it is done on the woman’s terms.
Boundless is their foolishness.
On Marriage: Paternity Establishment and the Commons
Gage Riley's amicus brief for the Prop. 8 case
South Korea:
Student fashions fuse modern and traditional
New insights into traditional music
Music:
Yesterday morning I spent time again with the St. Basil community in Palo Alto for their Sunday liturgy.
The Byzantine-rite Christians will often call their building a "temple." (Is this true of all Eastern Christians?) Church, or ekklesia, may be limited to naming the community. (Though American Orthodox, following convention, may use the word church to refer to the building as well.) Some American RC parishes have renamed themselves as a "Roman Catholic community" and so on, in accordance with a better understanding of ecclesiology. (Or it is another impetus of the Spirit of Vatican II towards the horizontal, and so many of these parishes are rather "liberal" in their understanding of doctrine and liturgy.) Such a change, as far as I can tell, is superficial - they may call themselves a community, but they do very little to live as one outside of participating in the liturgy. How many of us invoke the patron saint of our parishes daily?
Often American Christians, Catholic and Protestant, will make this point about the word "church" - "It isn't the building," but God's people - it is part of a valid re-emphasis on an adequate ecclesiology, but they go too far with the Anglophone obsession with univocity to serve their polemics while justifying it as being faithful to Sacred Scripture.
Did Latin Catholics ever use the word templum to refer to their buildings of worship? Or did it strike them as being too pagan?
The Byzantine-rite Christians will often call their building a "temple." (Is this true of all Eastern Christians?) Church, or ekklesia, may be limited to naming the community. (Though American Orthodox, following convention, may use the word church to refer to the building as well.) Some American RC parishes have renamed themselves as a "Roman Catholic community" and so on, in accordance with a better understanding of ecclesiology. (Or it is another impetus of the Spirit of Vatican II towards the horizontal, and so many of these parishes are rather "liberal" in their understanding of doctrine and liturgy.) Such a change, as far as I can tell, is superficial - they may call themselves a community, but they do very little to live as one outside of participating in the liturgy. How many of us invoke the patron saint of our parishes daily?
Often American Christians, Catholic and Protestant, will make this point about the word "church" - "It isn't the building," but God's people - it is part of a valid re-emphasis on an adequate ecclesiology, but they go too far with the Anglophone obsession with univocity to serve their polemics while justifying it as being faithful to Sacred Scripture.
Did Latin Catholics ever use the word templum to refer to their buildings of worship? Or did it strike them as being too pagan?
Sunday, November 06, 2011
Items of Interest, 6 November 2011
John Robb, Book Notes: What is Occupy
Bill Kauffman, Don’t It Make You Wanna Go Home Now?
Homesickness: An American History by Susan J. Matt
Dying of nostalgia
Homesick Kids and Helicopter Parents: Are Today's Young Adults Too Emotionally Dependent on Parents?
Is Walmart the Cure for Homesickness
blog
Shannon Hayes, Toilet Paper Preparedness vs. True Resilience
The Prince of Wales gives a keynote environmental speech at Cape Town University
Getting rid of legalese: Sandra Fisher-Martins: The right to understand
Jack Donovan, Masculinity: “Everything which is not feminine?”
On that note...
Diet and Health:
Robb Wolf, Paleo and Testosterone
Catholic:
The Pope at Vespers, Serra San Bruno
Holy Resurrection Monastery: Video from First Vigil Service in our New Home (a photo of the chapel in transition)
Bill Kauffman, Don’t It Make You Wanna Go Home Now?
Homesickness: An American History by Susan J. Matt
Dying of nostalgia
Homesick Kids and Helicopter Parents: Are Today's Young Adults Too Emotionally Dependent on Parents?
Is Walmart the Cure for Homesickness
blog
Shannon Hayes, Toilet Paper Preparedness vs. True Resilience
The Prince of Wales gives a keynote environmental speech at Cape Town University
The prince may be able to speak out about environmental issues and architecture because these topics are not so offensive except to a few. But what if he were to speak on issues relating to higher goods - multiculturalism and the lack of spirituality in Great Britain? He has already flattered Islam. If he cannot defend traditional culture (and Christianity), what use is he?
Getting rid of legalese: Sandra Fisher-Martins: The right to understand
Jack Donovan, Masculinity: “Everything which is not feminine?”
Someone at VN once made the same point, about their being a scale for "masculinity." I think there are genuine sex differences with respect to psychology, not just anatomy. At what point is a decrease in masculinity and increase in femininity due to a defect in development or cultivation, rather than being simply a difference in degree? At one point I used to think that maturation for members of one sex involved becoming more like the "other." I do not think there can be a definition of masculinity or femininity without reference to function, and anatomical, physiological, psychological differences must be understood accordingly. (Same with the role of sex hormones in development.) Matter is for the sake of end, and not vice versa.
On that note...
Diet and Health:
Robb Wolf, Paleo and Testosterone
Catholic:
The Pope at Vespers, Serra San Bruno
Holy Resurrection Monastery: Video from First Vigil Service in our New Home (a photo of the chapel in transition)
In Defense of the Natural Law
The Recovery of Reason by George Neumayr
(via Insight Scoop)
The Church is the pre-eminent expositor of the natural law and defender of man's ability to know it, and it will always be opposed to legal positivism. But did the Holy Father change any hearts and minds at the German Parliament?
Zenit: Pope's Words to Germany's Lower House of Parliament
"The Listening Heart: Reflections on the Foundations of Law"
(via Insight Scoop)
The Church is the pre-eminent expositor of the natural law and defender of man's ability to know it, and it will always be opposed to legal positivism. But did the Holy Father change any hearts and minds at the German Parliament?
Zenit: Pope's Words to Germany's Lower House of Parliament
"The Listening Heart: Reflections on the Foundations of Law"
Byzantine, Texas: Melkites in the US to have married clergy
It may be "traditional" for them; I do not think there will be many Latin-rite Catholics switching over so they can be married and ordained as priests. In the 19th century this was prohibited because Roman-rite bishops argued it would undermine the observance of clerical celibacy within the Roman rite.
How does one reconcile migration, pastoral sensitivity, and the ideal of liturgical uniformity within the local Church?
From 2010: News flash! Eastern Rite priests get married
Zenit: Pope: Study the Eastern Catholic Churches
November Intention: That Whole Church Will Esteem This "Spiritual Treasure"
It may be "traditional" for them; I do not think there will be many Latin-rite Catholics switching over so they can be married and ordained as priests. In the 19th century this was prohibited because Roman-rite bishops argued it would undermine the observance of clerical celibacy within the Roman rite.
How does one reconcile migration, pastoral sensitivity, and the ideal of liturgical uniformity within the local Church?
From 2010: News flash! Eastern Rite priests get married
Zenit: Pope: Study the Eastern Catholic Churches
November Intention: That Whole Church Will Esteem This "Spiritual Treasure"
What is the business model for Recology and the like? What does the company do with the composted materials, and if they are making a profit from should they be benefiting wholly from this, or should the community get the composted materials or some share of the profit back? (Does the company own the waste and is it free to do what it wants with it, or is it owed to the community?) And is it really necessary for a private company to do the composting, or should people be encouraged to either compost it themselves, or give it to someone in the neighborhood who will?
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