Showing posts with label divorce. Show all posts
Showing posts with label divorce. Show all posts

Wednesday, October 21, 2020

Staying Together to Survive?

Or did some dynamics actually improve



Tuesday, April 21, 2020

What Is the Solution?

The standard Roman Catholic wedding vows do not include a promise for the wife to obey the husband:

Couples wedding in the Roman Catholic Church essentially make the same pledge to one another. According to the Rite of Marriage (#25) the customary text in English is:[4]
I, ____, take you, ____, to be my (husband/wife). I promise to be true to you in good times and in bad, in sickness and in health. I will love you and honour you all the days of my life.
In the United States, Catholic wedding vows may also take the following form:[4]
I, ____, take you, ____, to be my lawfully wedded(husband/wife), to have and to hold, from this day forward, for better, for worse, for richer, for poorer, in sickness and in health, until death do us part.
The priest will then say aloud "You have declared your consent before the Church. May the Lord in his goodness strengthen your consent and fill you both with his blessings. What God has joined, men must not divide. Amen."[5]

Thursday, May 02, 2019

Monday, September 17, 2018

RMG Ep 30






Tuesday, July 22, 2014

I had hopes for this one...

Eve Tushnet on Boyhood.

Over the weekend I saw Jon Favreau's Chef. Two boys who are in broken homes, living with the consequences of divorce. Putting aside the possibly implied (not explicitly shown and it could be said that they were just having a really sensual dinner) one-night stand between Chef Carl Jasper and Scarlett Johansson's character, the movie is a crowd-pleaser for good reasons, among them the romance of operating of a food truck.

1. The importance of fatherhood, and quality father-son time and male bonding.
2. The passion of a man for his craft and to excel in it.
3. And there is also the fixing of the relationship between Jasper and his ex-wife. (Though it may not be so credible; she seems to be doing very well financially. Even at the top of his game, would Jasper be enough to satisfy her hypergamy? Questionable.)

It is a funny movie and there are probably worse Hollywood products out there that are clearly misandrist. At least this one does not mock the main character, though it does have a laugh at his expense because he is behind the times with social networking.

Wednesday, April 23, 2014

Uhmerica, Not So Beautiful

Al Gore's Daughter Gets Married - People and Daily Mail, HLN, THV11

Her second "wedding" so it's a good thing that she didn't glam it up? On the other hand... this is post-Christian America [California], so much for Al Gore's "Christian" values.

Business casual? I've posted on its triumph in international meetings between leaders/politicians before. Obama opens Japan trip at famous sushi restaurant

In this case, it's not just Obama doing it. But who started the trend? One would have to think the Uhmericans.

Wednesday, November 13, 2013

Grounds for Annulment?

This story about a Chinese man suing his wife for divorce because she deceived him about her appearance through plastic surgery has been making the rounds on the internet and FB. (Edit. It has been shown to be a hoax.) Would this sort of deception grounds for annulment? What would the moral theologians and canon lawyers say about this case?

I was thinking about this last night - what are the Latin churches doing to mitigate divorce or determine fault? Who would have the authority to determine fault and enforce sanctions for someone who destroyed a marriage, such as excommunication and social ostracization? Where are the consequences for bad wives? (I think we know what happens to husbands, good or bad, in our current legal system.)

Plastic surgery culture flourishes in East Asia: not just Korea and Japan, but also in Hong Kong and Taiwan. (I don't know if it is a booming business in mainland China yet. Maybe the unmarried career women have been resorting to plastic surgery.) But I should have known better than to think that the Latinas deserved their reputation for beauty - case in point, the Venezuelans. Miss Venezuela wins Miss Universe. Another plastic beauty?

iirc, CH made fun of NBL judge Osmel.

Monday, February 04, 2013

Divorce Preparation for Catholics?

From the Chaplain’s Laptop: Divorce Preparation
For the rest, those called to the married state, a lifetime of happy marriage awaits them. They have only to follow the rules. They prepare for marriage by learning to pray alone and together, by sharpening their minds and their bodies for the contests ahead, and by assimilating the patrimonies of art and science. No one expects perfect happiness in their marriages, and they know grave marriage problems are always possible. But the smiles and lightness of foot among these couples lift us all up.
No mention of sex differences or roles.

Saturday, April 14, 2012

Putting a wife away

Found St. Thomas' discussion of divorce through a comment at Dalrock. It answers some of my questions that I posed here, but I'd like to read more about nullification of spousal obligations.

Thursday, March 08, 2012

Items of Interest, 8 Wednesday 2012

John Michael Greer's latest: Perhaps the most controversial post for met yet. America: Origins of an Empire

Eric Holder Explains When Drones Can Kill Americans Abroad

The Kony 2012 Campaign is Advocating a Misguided Policy

True Natural Aristocracy

Daniel Larison, Romney and Iran

Jordan Bloom, Traditionalists Against Country Music

Russell Kirk, Champion of the Permanent Things



A Tale of Two Sex Hormones by Anthony Esolen

Review: "Let Us Be Human: Christianity for a Collapsing Culture" by Roy Smith (EB)

Eve Tushnet, Divorce Dilemma

Counterpunch:
MIKE WHITNEY, There’s Never Been a Worse Time to Buy a House
DAVE LINDORFF, The Media and Iran


Economics:
The Gospel of Local Food

Monopoly Presents the Problem. Co-Opoly Presents the Solution.

TEDxHarvardLaw - John Piotti - Can New England Feed Itself?


MDA: Can We Feed the World on the Primal Blueprint Diet? – Part 2

Education:
The Higher Education Bubble Has Popped
Our "Let's Pretend" Economy: Let's Pretend Student Loans Are About Education
Classical Education After the Digital Age, Part 3
Knowledge for Its Own Sake? A Practical Humanist in the Carolingian Age

Catholic:
Will Catholics heed what Protestants acknowledge? Modern Youth Ministry a '50-Year Failed Experiment,' Say Pastors
Cardinal Cañizares on Beauty in the Liturgy and Concelebration
Choir of Westminter Abbey and Sistine Choir on the Feast of Ss. Peter and Paul (Zenit)
Saints Felicity and Perpetua for children
Tea at Trianon: The Dark Side of Facebook
Life After RC: A little cult lingo
Sources of Spirituality in the Writings of Archbishop Hincmar of Reims
A Benedictine Bishop on Silence



Commentary: Armenian Jerusalem in Limbo
Changing Churches

Some photos of the Dominican-rite Mass in NYC on the feast of St. Thomas Aquinas.

Diet and Health:
Five Questions with Paleo Parents, authors of Eat Like a Dinosaur
Easy Recipe: Raw Sauerkraut
The LLVLC Show (Episode 556): Professor Loren Cordain Introduces Antinutrient Foods In ‘The Paleo Answer’ (mp3)
Low-carb, high-protein diets win the battle against the bulge, Israeli study finds
What's Really Making Us Fat
The State of the Paleosphere

Misc:
Top Chef's Edward Lee (Not sure if the url has been taken over by Audrey Magazine.)
Scotty McCreery records exit song for 'American Idol' - Preview.
20 Best Restaurants in America

Monday, February 06, 2012

Peter Hitchens, MRA

From Don't forget, it takes a cynical knave to create a dodgy knight -

In the name of the fathers
I promise you that the supposed reforms aimed at giving divorced fathers more access to their children will not work. Our anti-fatherhood state and courts will simply fail to implement them.


And so our national tragedy drags on, with its growing millions of small victims.


Last week, Pennsylvania State University academics exploded the myth of the ‘good divorce’ and showed that children suffer however the parents behave.


The answer’s simple. More than 40 years ago a slapdash Parliament was lobbied by liberal fanatics into making divorce ridiculously easy.


Since then the courts have handed down a series of judgments furiously prejudiced against fathers and husbands.


Parliament has very little to do between now and the 2015 Election. It should put its back into a thoughtful and thorough recasting of the rules of divorce.


And that, surely, is a job for the bishops, instead of taking Trotskyist positions on welfare reform or rowing about the few dozen homosexuals who – bizarrely – wish to get married in churches.


If they really do, let them, provided the law also lets heterosexuals marry in gay clubs. I suspect the take-up will be about the same on both sides.

Wednesday, January 11, 2012

Annulments

A sort of continuation of this post on divorce. A marriage may be invalid and an annulment declared because of deception involved. Deception concerning what, though? (Besides the intent to be faithful and to have children.)

Apparently Catholic wedding vows have never included a promise to obey or submit to the authority of her husband. (It's a CoE thing.) Nor is a wife required to promise that she will live in the family in a certain way (as a homemaker). If she tells her fiance that she intends to do this in practice, but fails to actually follow through, can one get an annulment? Can it be shown that she never intended to do this, even though she said she would? If so, is the marriage invalid? Or is divorce the only solution to a recalcitrant wife? The authority of the husband in the family may have been part of the theology of marriage of the past and assumed by all in the past, and so was not really discussed by the pastor. But a discussion in Catholic marriage prep is needed now. If the Church is not willing to back up the authority of the husband in some concrete way, then we should not be surprised that men who are traditionally-minded turn their backs on the Church.

It used to be that a husband could try to "put the wife away" (usually to attempt to contract a second marriage?) or return her to her family. What other solution can there be nowadays than separation and divorce?

Related:
Ed Peters's blog is now at Wordpress.

Edit. I am reminded that two of Law Yi's sons married "good Catholic girls" - one does not want to be a stay at home mom, prefers her job as a social worker, and I think she has said there will be a limit to the number of kids they have. The other wife has already said no to kids. Good luck finding a decent Catholic woman in Hong Kong. I'm not wasting my time there, if that's the best the Church can do there. I wouldn't consider them to be beautiful or intelligent (or entitled or conceited) so you would think that there'd be some measure of humility and deference, but the feminist brainwashing, whether explicit or subtle, has done its work.)

Monday, December 20, 2010

Divorce for Catholics

Begun on December 20, 2010 at 11:12 A.M.

While I was in Houston last November, I was able to meet up with a Soompi friend, LP. We talked a bit (much of the conversation was about her experience with teaching), and then we touched upon the question of civil divorce, and how it differs from separation. Is divorce permissible for Catholics? While I was growing up, I heard that civil divorce for Catholics is ok as long as the two parties do not remarry. Is this the general pastoral attitude in the United States? (I have heard it repeated once more rather recently, in fact.)

There are differences between divorce and legal separation. Spouses may separate for grave reasons, such as physical abuse. The threat to one's life or health is evident to most people in the case of physical abuse. But what is "emotional abuse"? If a husband and wife cannot get along, is that sufficient reason for a divorce or separation? What does the inability to live with each other really mean? How much of our understanding of marriage is dominated by unrealistic companionate ideals?

What if one spouse refuses to get counseling? The reluctance of husbands to go into marriage counseling, when much of the industry profession is misandrist, is understandable. How much bad behavior from wives is not criticized (except by a few, like Dr.  Laura)?


Is it better for them to separate, if they cannot live amicably together? How much should a wife put up? What about the example of St. Monica and her husband? And we should not forgot that women can be the "victim" of their own expectations. Who is more likely to stick a rocky marriage out these days, American men or women? Love conquers all -- but are there limits? What about differences in communication? If men should not expect women to be like men and adjust accordingly, should this not be required of women with respect to their men as well?

The vow to help one another includes behaving civilly, and fostering a good environment at home. If the home is not a welcoming place because of fighting, hostility, or ill feeling, it is understandable if one or both spouses want to get away.

But can divorce or legal separation release one from one's vows, one's duties to one another, mutual help, etc.? Especially when children are no longer involved?  If one spouse is failing to live up to one's duties is the other then released from his or hers? Barring separation for the sake of physical (or, perhaps, mental health), what legitimate reasons can there be for allowing Catholics to divorce? Should a divorce between Catholics remain scandalous to other Catholics?

If divorce laws and courts are generally biased against men, is it better for men to separate? But what do they then do about women who refuse to pull their own weight and expect spousal support, instead of doing the honorable thing and getting some sort of work?

Did I mention that someone sitting next to us at Starbucks overheard our conversation and offered us a Protestant apologetics tract? The title of the tract was something along the lines of "Can you believe everything in the Bible?" I suspect that it might deal sola scriptura. He thought we were refusing because it might seem anti-Christian, the implicit answer being "no," but he assured us that the content wasn't what we expected. I tried to politely refuse; he was rather insistent so it took several replies.

Edit. September 1, 2011 - I think LP is getting married next weekend, if I understand her FB status correctly.