The only thing I have really opposed you on about them is when you claim that the MRM doesn’t even exist. It certainly does, albeit ineffectively. And my reference to your claims were in regard to a comment thread at the Spearhead a while back where people were claiming that men’s issues were increasing in regularity on MSM websites and such… and then you piped in and tried to claim that this was in part because of your Urinal Campaign. I am merely pointing out that on this thread, you are claiming that the MRM is a complete and utter disaster, and on other threads, you point out that increased awareness of Men’s Issues is due, in part, to your urinal campaign. I think that is called having your cake and eating it too. You are doing it again in this last comment as well. At first there were no victories, but no you are claiming your campaign is successful. (One wonders then, what sets it apart from all the other URL at Urinal Campaigns that have happened over the past decades?)
As for Paul Elam, who cares? I quite disagree with Paul Elam – and according to your stated politics, so should you, and so should everyone who believes in the original MGTOW philosophy, which was to instill masculinity in men, restore femininity in women and work for limited government. Elam attacked Jack Donovan, openly in blog post, because Donovan questioned the validity of Male Studies headed up by Warren Farrell. Elam also openly threatened to undermine anyone who was opposed to Male Studies. Well, I am very opposed to a Male Studies headed up by Warren Farrell. For five or six years now, I have been writing about the dangers of getting what we say we want – and “Male Studies” is the culmination of this. First off, they want government and NGO styled funding, or in other words, they will start up a “studies” department that will become big-government’s little bitch boy – just like Feminism. Second of all, while Warren Farrell gets quite a few things right in his evaluations, his ultimate solution is for more androgyny – in other words, more feminism, but from a male point of view. Paul Elam, as well as Farrell, states he wants to end gender roles. You, TFH, as well as any original MGTOW’rs, ought to be opposed to this. If you believe in game, as well as instilling masculinity in men and restoring femininity in women as per MGTOW, then one ought to be restoring gender roles rather than further tearing them down.
Warren Farrell has worried me for a long time now because of these views, and his willing affiliation with government. And, if the MRM gets its wish and becomes a greater force in society, I can foresee great danger in people like him, because Farrell, along with his colleagues like Strauss, always seem to think the answer is more equality and more government intrusion into personal life. And, of course, as the most famous of MRA’s, they are “naturals” for becoming spokespersons for “the cause” after everyone else has done the groundwork for raising awareness about the issues. There is great danger in that. Strauss, for example, at the end of his studies showing female violence that is equal to male violence, recommends more funding and more intrusions into our lives.
If MRM “victories” are more androgyny and bigger government and further intrusion into our personal lives, then I hope the MRM stays ineffective for a long time to come, and I won’t touch it with a barge pole.
This sheds some light on his participation in the Good Men Project.
No Ma'am
Fathers and Families
WF's The Myth of Male Power and Father and Child Reunion
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